So the 20 plan has unlimited requests and that is by far the most generous offering I’ve seen but I can’t understand why would I want to update to ULTRA, says “20x usage on all OpenAI, Claude, Gemini models” but what is that? 20 more of unlimited? Is it MAX included or not? Can you be more specifi…

Ultra includes both standard (almost unlimited) and MAX (high allowance, ~20x the Pro plan) within the base subscription. While not every request is MAX, you get a very high allowance of MAX usage, which when used correctly alongside non-MAX requests (for simple changes), should mean even power use…

my monthly spend on sonnet 4 max mode would be like 3k at 10 hours a day 5 days a week if I am focused. granted I am usually not so its closer to 2. for people like me, this seems to save a ton of money. sonnet 4 is unusable without max mode and it is an expensive model. before the ultra plan, Claud…

I think its potentially a good deal. I am confident I am spending more than 200 dollars a month in spend with claude max. (like if I paid via api key ) I’m aware on average they will probably make money. And as we have discussed its a better UI than claude max, and I think o3 pro is a better plann…

When you avoid my points and fail to answer my actual questions, particularly concerning consumer privacy laws, and then accuse me of ‘hijacking’ the conversation, it’s quite frustrating.

Hi @LiuWaiting203 I do understand your frustration but there is a clear misunderstanding and your actions are definitely improper and you are again hijacking topics: ▶ Here is my detailed answer

How is sonnet 4 unusable without max? I’ve used it perfectly fine on a large, exceptionally complex code base (finance, neural networks, quantitative domains). But I also don’t throw my entire base into the model and expect miracles.

Paid $1600 or so last month and not even sure what we’re paying for at this point.

Wouldn’t it be cheaper just to write the code yourself? 1600 is absolutely insane.

I was using claude 4 thinking and was paying per request. The new pro tier is not even letting me do that. They are charging almost $1 per request now after your UNLIMITED limit ends :melting_face:

You are absolutely correct. Based on the plan description it seems that Ultra is 20 times more unlimited in rate‑limited usage compared to Pro. Sometimes “unlimited” can mean “limited” but that’s simply a question of perception — they’ve essentially redefined our rate ceiling as a dynamic headroom.…

I don't really get ULTRA Plan

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alephscalioni (Aleph Scalioni) June 20, 2025, 3:58pm 54

I really felt it’s worst right now with Pro only, each use with Claude 3.7 or 4 cost me 1 usd. Forcing me to use Ultra plan.

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I don't really get ULTRA Plan

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